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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2024 10:39:24 GMT -5
I took that as Boston strongly suggesting that Caitlin Clark needs to enter the draft. i hope a good amount of folks turn pro this season. there’ll simply be a lot of players fighting to stand out next season. if you’re age-eligible and already stand out now, ya may as well capitalize on it – especially if next season doesn’t go as planned. and like Aliyah Boston said, those NIL deals don’t just *poof* vanish going from college to the pros. above all, i hope these players are strategic about the choices they make.
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Post by clayk on Jan 24, 2024 11:11:23 GMT -5
Some of the NIL/endorsement money will follow, but the funds coming from the college collectives -- which can be substantial -- will not. Likely that gap will be made up by other endorsements -- but I don't think Caitlin Clark will necessarily make more money in the pros than she does in college. The numbers will be close ...
Which again leads back to finances not being a determining factor in turning pro. (And I still think a pay cut may be involved for lesser players. I don't know that Kamila Cardoso is going to get a lot of endorsements in the W, but she does get money from the South Carolina collective.)
Winning a championship? Indiana is not going win a WNBA title now or in the near future, though the attraction of playing with Boston could tip the scales for Clark. Long-term, that's a great combo, but Boston will be a free agent in three years, at the most.
Lifestyle? Clark and others may be bored with college and hate going to class. Or they may enjoy the relative freedom, the big fan base and the sold-out crowds. Playing in front of 1,500 somewhere in Turkey might not be as attractive.
Charter flights, fully staffed medical and support staffs, and the chance to get a master's for free (future value significant) are also pluses.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2024 14:08:14 GMT -5
we’ve already played out this discussion, in which it’s been established there’s not gonna be a consensus on who might make more money as a pro than as a collegiate, and all the factors that go into that argument.
i’m saying that considering how next year the covid-bonus seniors' and the true seniors' eligibilities virtually all run out at the same time, it might be in the best interest of the more high-end prospects who could draft-declare this year or next year to take that part of the equation into account. the financials will always be a component, but the timing of when to go has never and likely/hopefully will never be more crucial for some of these players.
for players like Clark, Bueckers, Brink, and Cardoso, everyone would likely agree that they’d all go high no matter which draft they’re in. for Edwards, Reese, Paopao, Van Lith, Lee, etc, it may be a bit harder to say. and it still doesn’t mean that getting picked high will result in a good career (see all the flameouts in the first round of the 2021 Draft, which was almost all early declarers, technically). but getting picked high tends to mean one’s career gets a longer runway to take off, as well as theoretically there being a better chance of NIL- aka endorsement-deal continuation from college to the pros.
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Post by clayk on Jan 24, 2024 15:37:53 GMT -5
It's uncharted territory really, and there are a lot of variables that have yet to be defined in any precise manner.
One question for most players: Does another year of college prepare you better for the pro game? Or does that longer runway help more, even if the first year is a struggle?
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Post by pilight on Jan 24, 2024 18:22:39 GMT -5
One more year of college is also one year later that you're starting the clock on your rookie contract. The earlier you start your career the earlier you can get to higher contracts.
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Post by clayk on Jan 25, 2024 10:30:59 GMT -5
Excellent point.
So is the earlier exit from the rookie deal a better financial investment than a master's degree?
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Post by pilight on Jan 25, 2024 10:47:05 GMT -5
Excellent point. So is the earlier exit from the rookie deal a better financial investment than a master's degree? For someone who's a lottery pick, probably so. That's hundreds of thousands in extra income, more than enough to cover the cost of going back to school for a year.
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Post by clayk on Jan 25, 2024 18:05:54 GMT -5
Excellent point. So is the earlier exit from the rookie deal a better financial investment than a master's degree? For someone who's a lottery pick, probably so. That's hundreds of thousands in extra income, more than enough to cover the cost of going back to school for a year. I was thinking more of long-term returns, but of course you can get a master's while you're working down the road. Nice to have it in hand when you hit the job market, though.
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Post by toad455 on Jan 26, 2024 9:09:40 GMT -5
In regards to the draftees in last night's big game.
Paopao did okay. Her defense is almost non-existent. So no thanks on New York picking her.
Cardoso was a nonfactor in the first half. She needs to demand the ball more inside. But she made some solid defensive plays during the game.
Reese is so damn clunky and remains a foul magnet. How has she not developed a 15 foot jumper yet?
Van Lith was okay, made some big shots in the second half, but she really doesn't look good running PG.
Overall, none of the four were impressive last night. But it was an excellent game.
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Post by pilight on Jan 26, 2024 10:35:26 GMT -5
For someone who's a lottery pick, probably so. That's hundreds of thousands in extra income, more than enough to cover the cost of going back to school for a year. I was thinking more of long-term returns, but of course you can get a master's while you're working down the road. Nice to have it in hand when you hit the job market, though. They don't really need it while they're playing, and we're talking about players who are expected to have long careers. Players further down the draft board are more likely to take the extra year and should if they're pursuing an advanced degree. Players at the top of the draft aren't going stay for a 5th year. I will be shocked if Clark goes back to Iowa.
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Post by awhom111 on Jan 29, 2024 23:08:31 GMT -5
Miles is eligible by virtue of her early enrollment in college essentially making her "graduating high school class" the one in 2020 instead of the one in 2021. The same ruling will also allow Cotie McMahon to enter the draft in 2025. the technicalities this year whew lol. welp! editing her in now!Richard Cohen did more checking on this and apparently the WNBA has mysteriously turned around and decided on the opposite of this and Miles would not be eligible unless she is about to graduate. I was not able to find Talia van Oelhoffen's birthdate to see if she turns 22 this year, but she is supposedly set to graduate in May so she would be allowed to enter if she does not turn 22 until next year.
This is a pretty dumb ruling as the spring enrollment programs that I am familiar with are absolutely designed for students to still graduate at the same time as their fall enrollment counterparts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 1:38:33 GMT -5
von Oelhoffen i would be pretty surprised if she were to call it good on her time at Oregon State. she loves that place to death… and honestly her adjustment to being a fulltime PG hasn’t been the greatest for her game – something i’m sure the pro scouts would notice. i would hope she puts it all together next season… or at least moves back to being off the ball.
Miles' case is much more interesting. idk how her & Hidalgo would coexist as a backcourt pairing next season, their games are different but they’re truly both PGs. neither would be as good off the ball, and i have to think Miles has considered this. so, maybe she comes back anyway. or maybe she transfers for her last season of eligibility to somewhere just as tantalizing as Notre Dame. or… maybe she really can graduate in the spring and opts to call it a career at the college level. everyone knows what she can do at this point, and she probably can still do it… even if it really was an ACL tear she suffered (seeing as no one has ever exactly specified what kind of knee injury it was).
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Post by pilight on Jan 30, 2024 8:35:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't stress about Miles, she's not coming out
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2024 9:03:23 GMT -5
i know, i’m not 'stressing'. i do wish she would though, of course.
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Post by toad455 on Jan 31, 2024 14:48:06 GMT -5
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Post by clayk on Feb 1, 2024 10:19:49 GMT -5
So Seattle's trade makes it clear one of the four isn't coming out -- likely Bueckers. Rickea Jackson is not the answer unless you like undersized athletes who can't shoot, so LA is looking at Cardoso in the fourth spot. Unless of course Clark or Brink stay in school, in which case the fourth pick is of limited value (a roll of the dice, not much different than the eighth pick).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 8:54:24 GMT -5
thanks to the Storm signing Kia Nurse to that dunderheaded contract to begin with – we all knew it was shit at the time, let alone now – i no longer have the capacity to care about this draft.
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Post by toad455 on Feb 2, 2024 10:40:40 GMT -5
thanks to the Storm signing Kia Nurse to that dunderheaded contract to begin with – we all knew it was shit at the time, let alone now – i no longer have the capacity to care about this draft. It's essentially the Sparks' draft now since they have the #2, #4 & #8 picks. Brink, R. Jackson and another post. Done.
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Post by dreamfan12 on Feb 4, 2024 18:24:13 GMT -5
Taiyanna Jackson is a better center prospect than Elizabeth Kitley. Has loads of defensive potential.
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Post by wnba09 on Feb 5, 2024 14:30:15 GMT -5
Kitley versus Jackson is interesting as Kitley wants to shoot 10-15 foot jumpers that she hits a high rate in college , and Jackson has the size and untapped potential downlow to become a serviceable player in the future. The gap is not huge between the two if their is yet kitley will get drafted higher most likely.
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