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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 0:39:20 GMT -5
looks to me like this ain't Bueckers' final season at UConn like i had hoped. that wouldn't be good news for the Storm, regardless of whether or not she would've been available for us at 4. these kinds of decisions have trickle-down effects. i'm getting scared we might take Amoore that high – a player i would disapprove of us acquiring no matter where in the draft she's selected. just stick to Cardoso or RJackson in that order if either is there, please.
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Post by pilight on Jan 10, 2024 11:04:49 GMT -5
I figured Bueckers would return to UConn for a 4th season
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Post by clayk on Jan 11, 2024 10:15:10 GMT -5
The fact that she would take a pay cut to turn pro might also have something to do with it.
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Post by pilight on Jan 11, 2024 15:12:52 GMT -5
The fact that she would take a pay cut to turn pro might also have something to do with it. That's almost certainly not true
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Post by clayk on Jan 12, 2024 11:40:31 GMT -5
OK, maybe I'm wrong, but here's how it adds up for me:
1) WNBA salary $75,000
2) Euro salary $250,000
Total: $325,000
I can easily see NIL money of more than $325,000 for Bueckers, plus she's getting a free masters (with a cost of at least $20,000 if she gets it on her own.)
If Sedona Prince gets $100,000, and I'm pretty sure she does, then Bueckers gets a lot more than that.
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Post by toad455 on Jan 12, 2024 12:06:19 GMT -5
Players like Clark, Bueckers, Jackson and Brink will have most likely of their NIL deals carry over as they turn pro. Someone like Angel Reese should probably stay another year since she may end up a bust as a pro. And I don't see Reese ever going overseas. Sedona Prince probably has a successful career over in Europe. Not sure if her endorsements will carry over though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2024 13:41:37 GMT -5
And I don't see Reese ever going overseas. although she may change her mind about it if she ever flames outta the W like some think she will 🤭
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Post by pilight on Jan 12, 2024 21:11:58 GMT -5
OK, maybe I'm wrong, but here's how it adds up for me: 1) WNBA salary $75,000 2) Euro salary $250,000 Total: $325,000 I can easily see NIL money of more than $325,000 for Bueckers, plus she's getting a free masters (with a cost of at least $20,000 if she gets it on her own.) If Sedona Prince gets $100,000, and I'm pretty sure she does, then Bueckers gets a lot more than that. You're assuming there are $0 endorsements for her as a pro, which is ridiculous. Every player in the W has multiple endorsement contracts. Stars command large numbers, far larger than what can be had in Iowa.
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Post by clayk on Jan 13, 2024 10:46:46 GMT -5
Interesting point.
But NIL isn't an endorsement deal, and my impression is that endorsement deals for WNBA players are, at best, in the $50,000 range. That said, Bueckers would get some endorsement deals, but the NIL money would disappear completely. NIL is pay-for-play, pure and simple, and college boosters aren't going to pay someone who's playing in the W or overseas.
So let's say Bueckers gets $500,000 in NIL money. Her pro earnings are $350,000. She would need $150,000 in endorsements to break even, and I don't think many W players get close to that amount. And on top of that, life in college is much easier, not to mention that the training facilities are better, the support staff is better and the medical care is better.
And you get a free master's if you want.
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Post by pilight on Jan 13, 2024 13:25:16 GMT -5
I think you're grossly underestimating what W players make in endorsements. And Bueckers isn't just any player. Aside from being very good she's white, blonde, wholesome looking, and dates guys. That's not a combination found in many W players and will boost her earning potential.
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Post by WBBDaily on Jan 14, 2024 22:12:38 GMT -5
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Post by toad455 on Jan 15, 2024 11:27:30 GMT -5
I've loved Carter's game for years. I really hope she lands on a team that can use her talents.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 14:52:46 GMT -5
i’ll say again, the class of center prospects this year could end up being really good if most of them find the right home. i see Carter, Kitley, TJackson all going somewhere between picks #5-24 – all of whom will run out of eligibility by the end of this szn. Holmes is probably a high second rounder at best due to only being 6-3, but she too produces. then there’s Cardoso who is presumed by people to be turning pro this spring who could go anywhere from #2-#6. Ayoka Lee has her own question marks in general, and then there’s Sedona Prince who is her own story lol.
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Post by toad455 on Jan 15, 2024 15:52:36 GMT -5
Kitley is over-hyped. A bad GM probably drafts her way too early (Dallas, Indiana, Los Angeles). Jackson and Carter could be early second round picks come April if their stock keeps climbing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 16:28:03 GMT -5
while i haven’t seen much of Kitley, i still think of her as a really good-value second rounder who’ll likely go mid-to-late first round. while she may seem like a “good college player only”-type, everyone knows 6-6 centers who consistently produce high just don’t grow on trees. she could certainly carve out her niche if a team gave her a specific enough role. maybe she ultimately flames out, but then, how many draftees per year actually carve out lasting careers? 6-8, give or take?
in a development-averse league where even the rookies are basically expected to contribute right off the bat, maybe GMs picking anywhere from 5-24 ought to take players based off their floor, closer to what they can expect out of someone from Year 1, more so than their ceiling/potential. maybe then there’d be noticeably less flameouts. but who knows.
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Post by WBBDaily on Jan 15, 2024 17:46:34 GMT -5
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Post by clayk on Jan 15, 2024 23:15:40 GMT -5
I just don't see Kitley at all. Maybe she breaks the mold, but tall slow centers have seldom made an impact in the W.
And look at the A/TO for some of these players. Huge red flag for me ...
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Post by toad455 on Jan 16, 2024 9:15:02 GMT -5
Kitley is slightly more gifted than Cunane was. Minimal chance she makes a roster regardless of who drafts her. Without Bueckers now, my four lotto picks are:
1. Indiana - Clark 2. Los Angeles - Brink 3. Phoenix - Cardoso 4. Seattle - Jacy Sheldon
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2024 9:55:24 GMT -5
Sheldon’s good but i don’t know if very many see her as a lottery pick. i don’t see her making it as a PG, and we don’t need another SG. Rickea Jackson or Aaliyah Edwards would be my pick if Cardoso were unavailable.
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Post by toad455 on Jan 16, 2024 10:56:12 GMT -5
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